A year living in Oklahoma according to an Oregonian

As many of you have probably noticed, I’ve taken the week off!  It’s been a bit of a struggle the last few weeks because work has been so crazy and in typical Oklahoma fashion, it’s a mountain of effort in order to accomplish even the most mundane of tasks.  What could have possibly made my life so complicated the last few weeks?  Well I’m glad you asked!

One of the big reasons I’ve felt so behind and out of sorts is due to flipping my schedule around multiple times a week.  My normal night time RN shifts are 7p to 7a which can make it difficult to accomplish simple things that other people may take for granted such as going to the bank, shopping for groceries, taking the dog to the vet, etc.  Well, now that I think about it, there’s not much of a reason to go to the bank anymore now that I can use my bank app to take a picture of any checks that I’m sent and deposit them that way.  But you get the picture!

This particular incident revolved around me attempting to get my garage door fixed.  Sounds pretty simple right?  WRONG!  In order to even call the agency I rent my house from, I have to call them at the earliest by 9 AM.  If I’m lucky they pick up, but I can usually get in touch with someone by 9:30 or so.  After that they refer me on to a garage door specialist who is supposed to call me “sometime in the day”.  Oh awesome that sounds great, I’ll just sit around and wait for a phone call because I don’t want to be sleeping right now and did I mention that my car is currently stuck in the garage?  Because it is!

In order to keep some semblance of sanity, I operate on a night time schedule 24-7.  Sometimes RN’s are requires to change their shifts around, but that’s becoming less and less common because so many mistakes are attributed to sleep deprivation.  Even the RN’s that voluntarily change their schedules usually complain about feeling like a zombie for a day or two after doing it, and even then it’s usually accomplished with the help of lots of caffeine and some type of sleep aid, neither of which I’m anxious to do.

So here’s how it ended up panning out:

Week 1 – I contact rental agency and they refer me to garage door guy who never gets in contact with me.  I have 4 days every week to make something happen and if it isn’t done by Thursday it definitely isn’t happening on a work day when I’m pulling 12 hour shifts.

Week 2 – I call garage door guy back and we play phone tag for the next several days.  He makes vague promises about call times and falls through on all of them.  Who would’ve thought.

Week 3 – I call the rental agency and explain that we’re approaching the better part of the month that my car is stuck in my garage and I cannot for the life of me get a hold of the garage door person.  To the rental agency’s credit, they call the garage door guy and somehow managed to get him over that day and within 30m he has fixed my door.  Yay for having a car and being able to sleep on a regular schedule again.

I should also mention that in the midst of this my rental agency called me (or rather someone did) and claimed that I had to renew my lease for another year.  Due to just recently obtaining a year of experience under my belt I’ve been shopping around for other opportunities and in no way intend on staying here longer than I have to.  So why am I frustrated?  Because my contract states that when my lease expires it moves to month to month.  I verified this with a different individual at the office much to the chagrin of her associate who sits across the hall.

Leases here are very restrictive/inclusive because there’s a lot of shitty people that live in this town.  I’m used to signing a lease for a set amount of time, and if you wish to terminate said lease early, you either pay a small fee or forfeit your security deposit (also usually a small fee).  That’s not the way it works here.  If you sign up for a year you WILL pay for a year, and if you move out you continue paying rent until someone else moves in or until your lease expires, whichever comes first.

As if this wasn’t enough, work has been very taxing lately for all the reasons that I was skeptical of moving to Oklahoma for in the first place.  I’d love to go in detail and bitch all day but that’s just not very ethical IMO.

You know, whether it’s work, or getting the garage door out here, buying a new mattress, finding a new muffler for my car, buying furniture, or even going to a restaurant, everything is affected by how people choose to live.  By that I mean the quality of life here in OK is so god damn low that their baseline for happiness is nearly non-existent as far as I’m concerned.

It’s par for the course to get jerked around seemingly anywhere you go.  It comes across as no one really caring about well…anything.  Most people treat life and work as just a job and cannot possibly be bothered to do anything less than the absolute minimum.  Fuck, even then that’s often times asking too much.

Once in a while (usually after I’ve been fed up for a bit) I’ll ask people at work if they seem the same things I do and or if this is normal.  Every single time I get back the same response: “Yea but that’s just the way it is”.  They don’t have a problem with it because that’s just how life is.  We both see the same issues, but they’re not upset by them.  Furthermore, while I’m hesitant to generalize my local contact as indicative of the rest of the South, I’m told by my other associates that this is fairly normal and is definitely the norm for military towns.

In the Pacific NW, the South is such a joke.  Insults can often be heard labeling someone as “so stupid they must be from the South”.  Most of us had never been there, but we all knew its reputation (and the Texas state school board’s view on evolution and textbooks).  I knew that there was probably some degree of validity to the statements but as to what extent, who could really say?

After having lived here for 1 full year, I can honestly say I would never encourage someone to move here.  Ever.  For any reason.  One caveat is that I have heard good stories about Austin TX and my co-workers who grew up in the South describe it as being a foreign entity and not belonging over here.  Sounds promising.

You know, if you take a step back and look at life from the super big picture stance, even life in the South isn’t that bad.  It could always be much worse and my brief stint in the Military taught me to be thankful for things we usually take for granted such as being alive, freedom, food, love, relationships, etc.

With that being said, it’s hard to look around and find a reason why anyone would want to live here.  It’s not frowned upon to be racist, homophobic, and very close minded concerning science and religion.  You’re not the social pariah that you might be if you lived in a more liberal area.  I don’t think I’ve ever seen so many churches or met so many people who had children when they were teenagers.  According to the younger people I’ve spoken with, it’s very normal to have a large amount of HS classmates that have children and watch them marry as teenagers as well.

Poverty here is a much bigger issue than anything I’ve come across before.  Worker wages are just abysmally low.  To put it in some perspective, the RN wages at my hospital eventually cap out at a certain amount.  That amount is based on experience, and after 10 or 12 years experience (I can’t remember which), you will have reached the zenith of your pay scale.  That particular plateau is about $5 less than the minimum basic starting pay for just about any RN job in Oregon.  In other words, a 21-22 year old nurse who just graduated in Oregon will be making substantially more than a 35-40 year old nurse with 10-15 years experience in Oklahoma.  There are of course exceptions to the rule, but they are exceptions and not the norm.

Scenery, attractions, and things to do.  There’s not a lot of them over here.  You want to surf in Oregon?  You can do that.  You want to go hiking along the gorge and see some of the most beautiful trails and scenery in the world?  Join the rest of the legions who do it on a weekly basis.  Maybe Wind Surfing is your ticket because we have one of the best spots in existence.  If that doesn’t cut it, you can always head up to the mountain.

If I didn’t play video games I don’t know what I’d be doing here for funsies.  It has been brought up more than a few times at work that doing drugs and knocking boots are what a lot of the kids do for fun because it’s basically a desolate wasteland without any form of entertainment.  When I grew up I routinely got lost exploring the forests surrounding my house and fantasized about living in the forts I built with my friends.  As far as I know that is not an option here.

While I’m not moving out of OK just yet, I’m very excited at the prospect of moving somewhere else but I am thankful for the perspective that living here over the last year has provided.  4 seasons, a plethora of outdoor activities, culturally varied and distinct food, increased wages, and a liberal society are all things I’ve grown to miss.  And you know, while I’m not the smartest person in the world, I don’t think of myself as the world’s biggest mongoloid either.  I treasured all of these things while I lived in Portland.  I knew that they didn’t exist in other places.  However, I didn’t know what it was like to live without them and since living in OK the past year, I do now.

I don’t know where I want to go or even what I want to do next.  I know geographically speaking it’s more beneficial to live Centrally if you want to play vidya games though!  Not that it really matters because there’s no such thing as a competitive FPS anymore but I digress.  I’ll let you guys know when I hear something back!

xoxoxoxoxo

-Me

85 comments

  1. As a fellow NWer (previously from Wenatchee, now at Pullman), I have heard so much bad shit about the South that I question even going there. I have heard about how intolerant things are there (heaven forbid if you have even a slightly liberal viewpoint on something).

    I got the impression that you absolutely hate living in Oklahoma. I’m no psychiatrist, but it sounds like you need to come back to the Pacific Northwest (I get that it may not be possible). It sounds like you’d me much happier here.

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  2. Australia welcomes you with open arms.

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  3. The more liberal the state the more better.

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  4. shitty story wouldn’t read again

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  5. The whole point of Austin being different is very true. I am currently attending UT, and unlike the rest of the south it is common to see Obama bumper stickers and things like that. Austin and the area around it have tons of options to hike/bike/and do water activities on the lake here. They are also about to build a new hospital for UT, if that would mean anything job wise.
    I hope you enjoy the rest of your break, have a nice week!

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  6. Dima:
    Australia welcomes you with open arms.

    New Zealand would treat him as a WaldoGod.

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  7. The wage difference between OR and OK really shocks me. The fact that you can work your whole life at a job in one state and never earn as much as the basic starting salary for that same job in another is more than a little nuts.

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  8. TL;DR Excluding Austin, TX, don’t move to south, it’s fucking terrible.

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  9. Illusive Man: New Zealand would treat him as a WaldoGod.

    Yep. If he could deal with the internet here, we would idolize him.

    3 years till I get fiber cable internet… FML.

    So Waldodude, I can’t remember, why did you move if the pay is worse?

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  10. So when you plan to move away from OK, are your main criteria for the new place, better internet connection (for dat HD streaming!), same or maybe a better salary + you can do your fri-sunday 7pm-7am shifts (I don’t think every hospital etc. has that option, at least not here), and a better living environment?

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  11. Illusive Man: New Zealand would treat him as a WaldoGod.

    Don’t listen to these guys. Come to Germany! We have social insurances so your job as a nurse will be safe and the payment for the care personal is rather fair. We appreciate the care for old and ill people.

    Oh and we have amazing beer. That should be enough points to get you over here.

    Honestly though I hope things get better for you soon. Sounds rather terrible to live in OK right now. I reall can’t stand living or interacting with close minded people.

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  12. Maybe East Coast is more for you then. Try NJ. It’s not full of orange people and Italians, I swear. Plus you’ve got beaches, 4 very distinct seasons, and a plethora of hospitals to choose from. I don’t know how the wages are for an RN here, but I’d imagine they’re better than anything in OK. Also, most of the services here are very good. Whereas it took you 3 weeks to get a grarage door fixed, in NJ I’d be getting a little irritated after about 3 days. The Internet connection here is very good too. I’m running about 60 down and 15 up. I can only imagine how beneficial that would be to someone who uploads 3 videos a day, such as yourself.

    Just something to think about.

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  13. Since we are all giving you advice how to live your goddamn life:

    I grew up in the south (North Carolina) in a VERY religious home. My parents are actually loving people, but are incredibly backwards socially/scientifically. That is not true of anyone I grew up around, but I was just like them up until my late teens/early 20s so I didn’t really get it at the time.

    I have lived in the midwest (Iowa) which was just as backward as NC, and now live in Florida and little has changed. I was born in NorCal, and have traveled the country many times over, and this is my perspective on the whole South vs. Pacific Northwest:

    http://wfxd.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/map1.jpg

    Pick any place in the country on that map that isn’t red. You will enjoy living there.

    To clarify, this is not a political issue. I am not deeply liberal/don’t hate capitalism, but the only people who, en masse, vote Republican in the US at this time are the places that espouse and glorify the things you highlighted in your post. I am not trying to start a flamewar or tell conservatives that they are stupid, but what I am saying is that the people who vote for “conservatives” in this country are brainwashed imbeciles. (my sister is staunchly conservative, but not an idiot, so she doesn’t currently vote, for example)

    There are a lot of wonderful places to live in the south (Chattanooga, sometimes-Atlanta, Charlotte, Austin, et cetera) but you absolutely MUST live in a more densely populated area. Rural areas, even in Oregon (my mother was born and raised there, and I have spent a not-insignificant amount of time in the state with family) or Washington are incredibly ignorant and “bible-thumping” just like rural areas in the south.

    The problem is that the rural areas in the south are a lot more prolific, and the urban centers are far fewer/far less influential, due to the nature of urban sprawl. A lot of people who work in populated southern cities live 45 minutes away, which is equivalent to living in the middle of nowhere.

    All of that said, the south is horrible and the west coast is infinitely better. The northerly east coast is just as bad as the south, in my experience.

    Good luck on finding something new/somewhere new. I feel your pain/offer my condolences, for what it’s worth.

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  14. time to move, I wish I could move but we’re getting too rooted in MA :(. both my wife and I have strong jobs and good pay. In some ways it’s a curse because it scares you away from starting over. House doesn’t help either when it’s worth about $30,000 less than our loan.

    I’d personally move to TX if I could… I predict someday TX will be it’s own country… the US is burning fast. There will be a breaking point when more voters don’t pay taxes (or benefit from taxes) than do… I know tons of people that are US citizens that work under the table and collect unemployment, food stamps, etc… or when my wife’s immigrant parents get “free health care” all I can do is roll my eyes. I know ER doctors that tell me about people with no health care demanding MRI’s (sometimes 2) in the ER… it’s an epidemic and it’s going to end eventually.

    btw, cost of living matters (mostly talking to posters not waldo), he could probably make double pay in MA or NYC, but it’s twice as expensive to live here.

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  15. Dang, WaldoDude. Sounds like quite the situation on your hands. Regardless, I hope that you’re able to find the solution to it quickly, and that wherever life takes you, you end up happier as a result, and have the flexibility to not want to choke out the Hag-Bard garage door mechanic on the other side of the phone. Unfortunately, I’ve seen that a lot, and having moved out of my parents’ house to go to college, I’ll probably have to experience that within the next 5 years or so… Oh well, c’est la vie, right? But anyway, bro love from the Sunshine State, where we’re not completely populated by old people and tourists, but around 11/12 months we are…

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  16. You know the worst part of being born and raised in the south? Dealing with intolerant northerners who think they’re better than you because of where they grew up.

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  17. locoroboto: You know the worst part of being born and raised in the south? Dealing with intolerant northerners who think they’re better than you because of where they grew up.

    You think being misunderstood is worse than living among uneducated bigots?

    I think that means that you are an uneducated bigot.

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  18. It’s interesting that you seem to be experiencing a direct opposite of what I experienced several years ago when I moved from Michigan to NC. For the record, Michigan is a desolate wasteland, even more so now that the auto industry is in the shit hole (I got out of Michigan about a year before all that started going to hell). In fact, your description of OK reminds me a lot of MI and all the things I hated about it.

    Now I live on the east coast though, and if you’re near a major city you get the occasional ass hat, but for the most part people are at least happy and don’t treat others like shit. You get into some of the real bible belt hospitality if you go out into rural areas, but living near Charlotte I rarely see a lot of it. From what you’re saying, honestly, you need to be living in an area with growth. I know that Charlotte has, for many years, always been one of the top 10 cities for fastest growth in the US and it’s incredible to live somewhere where things are always changing as opposed to an area that just stays stagnant. I’d suggest, if anything, checking into growing cities if you’re looking to gtfo of your current area.

    Best of luck with your current situations though sir, and don’t worry about taking breaks. lol, we shall all be here when you get things figured out.

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  19. Philosomo: roboto

    I think being judged on what kind of person I am based on a location is a sign of ignorance. That the people who do so think themselves enlightened is hilarious.

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  20. locoroboto: I think being judged on what kind of person I am based on a location is a sign of ignorance. That the people who do so think themselves enlightened is hilarious.

    Don’t take it personally, you are not being judged. I have lived in the south for 23 years now, and I take no offense that the demographics being judged exist. He isn’t making it up, the southern states are ACTUALLY more uneducated / racist / bigoted. It’s a fact. Taking commentary on those demographics to heart doesn’t make sense, unless you are part of the demographic.

    At no point did he suggest that every person in the south is a shithead. He was reflecting on the demographics of his location and how they bug him.

    I live in a small town in Northwest Florida, I can relate 100% to every single one of his complaints. Having come from a small town outside of Charlotte, however, I also understand very acutely that the south can be okay sometimes, too.

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  21. So, let me see if I understand this. You are comparing two states.

    Oregon: Easily one of the most, if not the most, beautiful states in the US.

    and

    Oklahoma: A shit-tier inland state. (which you are viewing as all of the south)

    Seems legit.

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  22. I moved to OK in August from South Carolina, and I can tell you, compared to the deep south, this place is a paradise. In South Carolina, everywhere is either a ghetto, or a snobby white only neighborhood on the border of the ghetto. Everyone was incompetent, and if you needed to see a specialist doctor, you almost certainly have to drive 4 hours to Charleston. I guess my expectations were quite low, but I quite like it here. I don’t know what part of OK you moved to, but compared to SC, everyone I’ve met has been nice and helpful. Forgot to mention, but, good to have you back Waldodude.

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  23. Yeah I have family that moved to the south… I’m fine here in Northern Illinois thank you very much.

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  24. although being british(middle class London-er) i have frequented austain tx and after see of places in the south i does seem like a day and night difference, i wouldnt say that other places in teh south are bad places just a bit mundane where as austain just seems a nice exciting place

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  25. I think NYS would suit you well. Very liberal and lively. I live in buffalo but the lag is not bad. Verizon fios up here is amazing something like 100 down 40 up for the most expensive package

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  26. I live in Oklahoma and maybe I’m just numb to it but I don’t think most people are dead on the inside and used to mediocrity. I live in norman and it’s not too bad at all.

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  27. I live in GA, and outside of Atlanta it sounds like OK. The only difference is that we are close to the ocean and have mountains. (Not really good ocean water, no surfing where I have been, but the mountains are a blast)

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  28. I live in the South and I like it. That’s probably because I live in Huntsville, AL though….

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  29. I live in a poverty stricken city in ohio and its pretty terrible as well. Half the year is snow and the other half is humid heat. Their is nothing to do here whatsoever. The most exciting thing we have here bar cedar point is a movie theater.

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  30. Obviously your best option is just to move in with Bruce. I’m sure WaldoGirl won’t mind living with another mongoloid in the house. Hell, get DB to pack up as well. The more the merrier!

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  31. Ahh Portland Oregon, the least open minded city I have ever been to in my entire life. Every person there thinks their shit doesn’t stink and if your viewpoints differ from them than you are a fucking retard who is dooming society and deserves to be burned alive. Portland is filled with assholes it just that if you are one of them they are no longer assholes, kinda like if you are a skinhead you would think skinheads are great and other people are morons. It is all perspective, like the garage door repairman probably thinks you are a retard for not being able to fix a simple problem, you think he is a dumb hick from the south, probably cause he is. Waldo I’m sure if you try you can find stuff to do and people with common interests. Go investigate some of the old missle silos nearby or take a trip to Ouachita park. But my real point is how the fuck could you not get your car out of the garage? A garage door is not magic just disconnect the track.

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  32. Lol well after I read all of the comments and the article itself, everyone doesn’t seem to like the South that much. I was born and raised in Baton Rouge, LA and I honestly love it still, the thing is with the South is that you need to live in populated areas. If you live in small towns or whatever it is filled with the type of people that you described in your article WaldoDude.

    Now obviously living in big cities doesn’t mean you still won’t find those type of annoying people but there are much less of them in the cities. Other Southern cities I like that I have been to are Dallas(a little too populated for my liking), Austin, Atlanta, New Orleans(Wouldn’t want to live there but a great place to travel too), Chattanooga, and I hear that Nashville is cool as well.

    As for where I live(Baton Rouge) it has been growing crazy fast and a lot of things are opening in the area(including a new hospital)and there are a lot of places to entertain yourself with(malls, sports, restaurants, etc.) not to mention there is a Bass Pro Shops right outside the Baton Rouge city limits and a shit ton of lakes/rivers to go fishing, boating or whatever. As for the negatives the traffic is really bad in some places(near LSU, people commuting back and forth from the small towns to go to work, etc.) and the crime is really high in certain places(the hoods) but there are quite few neighborhoods with a very weird balance of Vietnamese, African-Americans, and whites lol. But other than those two things Baton Rouge is cool.

    The South is awesome if you know where to go and where not to go, but honestly if you don’t like it I can’t blame you, life in the North is much different from the South and not for everybody. I just hope that you find a place to live that you like.

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  33. Not all of the south is a shithole, just like not all of the north/west coast is great. Ask dannyboy how he likes South Side Chicago. It isn’t the white hicks who make places like South Side, Detroit, and East Cleveland dumps. Not all southern whites are hicks and white trash and not all blacks are gang members. Conversely, many whites in impoverished neighbourhoods fit the stereotypes you were talking about perfectly. Places like Arlington, VA and Richmond are two examples of gorgeous southern cities and much of Los Angeles is an example of a shitty western city. It’s all about living where the money is. Period.

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  34. To add on to this ^^^^

    Most coastal cities, or just populated cities in general, will give you more to do. I live in south east Virginia, where one of the largest (maybe even the largest, idk) navy bases in the world is. There are two amusement parks fairly close and the beach. Like I said in another post, you are comparing portland to an inland city, that is hardly a fair comparison. There aren’t many places that look good compared to it, especially not inland places.

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  35. Lived in the South my whole life (born in SC, moved to FLA, moved to NC, twice more around NC and now attending UNC for hopefully the next 8 years), and, while I obviously second everything said about the general uneducated-ness (been surrounded by fundie Christians my entire life, and for my first 8-10 years, I was one myself!) and bigotry of the South, I’ve never really had the vibe that everywhere is a shithole. And really, that only furthers my strong want to move to the North(ish).

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  36. ” and East Cleveland dumps. ”
    eisbar

    Do people not from northeast Ohio know how shitty east Cleveland is? I never figured outsiders knew about it. Cleveland in general just gets crapped on. There are some amazing things and places in east Cleveland you just need to know about them, there are also some bad neighborhoods.

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  37. DnY:
    Lived in the South my whole life (born in SC, moved to FLA, moved to NC, twice more around NC and now attending UNC for hopefully the next 8 years), and, while I obviously second everything said about the general uneducated-ness (been surrounded by fundie Christians my entire life, and for my first 8-10 years, I was one myself!) and bigotry of the South, I’ve never really had the vibe that everywhere is a shithole. And really, that only furthers my strong want to move to the North(ish).

    [After reading that last sentence, I think I should clarify — “I’ve never gotten that vibe, but been all around the South my entire life,” ergo, the North must really be that much better. Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t think so.]

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  38. Austin is a very, very liberal city. That goes back to the 80s and the start of the “Keep Austin Weird” campaign. It’s a bit of a story but the main point is that Austin is very different from most of Texas.

    Having lived in Houston nearly my entire childhood I can say there are aspects of that city that I love. The museum district is just an amazing place, from architecture to museums to the apartments to the million dollar houses, I loved to drive through that area with my friends.

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  39. klax04:
    ” and East Cleveland dumps. ”
    eisbar

    Do people not from northeast Ohio know how shitty east Cleveland is? I never figured outsiders knew about it. Cleveland in general just gets crapped on. There are some amazing things and places in east Cleveland you just need to know about them, there are also some bad neighborhoods.

    I’m originally from Cleveland. I love aspects of the city but you couldn’t pay me to live in East Cleveland. All of the old ethnic neighbourhoods have been destroyed by blacks and white trash. Not being racist, it’s the truth.

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  40. I’m just happy to hear you’re alive, man. Sometimes there are shit days and then there are shit weeks.

    Come over here to the DC metropolitan area! We have jobs and housing and money and we somehow still manage to be soul-crushingly miserable!

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  41. eisbar: I’m originally from Cleveland. I love aspects of the city but you couldn’t pay me to live in East Cleveland. All of the old ethnic neighbourhoods have been destroyed by blacks and white trash. Not being racist, it’s the truth.

    Yeah i was wondering if outsiders knew about it. I lived in Shaker for awhile but now live in Rocky River. Shaker was getting bad. I travel a lot for work and Cleveland is not that bad of a city, but gets crapped on a lot.

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  42. Mike:
    I think NYS would suit you well. Very liberal and lively. I live in buffalo but the lag is not bad. Verizon fios up here is amazing something like 100 down 40 up for the most expensive package

    I disagree. New York State’s a fucking shithole. State government doesn’t give a damn about anything but Albany and New York City, that cesspool run by King Bloomberg and his holier than thou bullshit, while the rest of the state dies away with tax increases and added laws and restrictions designed and “necessitated” only by that damned city.

    The taxes and utter lack of anything resembling a job market should be enough to scare people away from this state, without going into any of the political things that would… probably cause a shitstorm if those were brought up.

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  43. Xeros612: ut my real point is how the fuck could y

    I think the worst places to live right now are actually NY and CA /// BEST INTERNET AND GEOGRAPHY, BUT POLITICAL RETARDATION. Adam Carolla and Opi & Anthony ranting on these states is very entertaining.

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  44. I was born and raised in Boston and nowadays I live in Turin, Italy. Does that make me your only Italian sub? Anyway, I’ve traveled extensively around the USA and probably fit the stereotype of arrogant northerner. The northern states, in particular New England, are simply objectively better places to live. People say life here is expensive while ignoring the very reason why it is so: people WANT to live there. I’d sooner live in some bumfuck suburb in the Berkshires than any city in the South, where the people are so entirely apathetic and oblivious to the frankly frightening pace of life and inherent shortness of our own lives that I could never fit in there in a million years.

    Oklahoma ain’t changing WaldoDude, and you’d best look at this past year as a learning experience. Gaming and other such escapist pleasures can only take you so far before you grow increasingly sick of having to live in a mental and/or social bubble.

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  45. From my experience, there’s more fighting about hockey teams than about racism and homophobia here (this is eastern Canada though, we are generally more liberal than the west).

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  46. Mandalore1333:

    So Waldodude, I can’t remember, why did you move if the pay is worse?

    If I had to hazard a guess it’s because it’s hard to find a job as a nurse. Back when I was looking into it I heard a radio story about it being one of the hardest jobs to find.
    I come from Utah, and while I can agree with the general stupidity, I never got the feeling of people not caring. While mormons seem to get a bit of a bad wrap,their beliefs are definitely odd, they are nice people for the most part. I live in a pretty high socioeconomic (We host a little thing called sundance) city but even when I went down to the smaller towns most people I met were very welcoming.

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  47. Luigi:
    I was born and raised in Boston and nowadays I live in Turin, Italy. Does that make me your only Italian sub? Anyway, I’ve traveled extensively around the USA and probably fit the stereotype of arrogant northerner. The northern states, in particular New England, are simply objectively better places to live. People say life here is expensive while ignoring the very reason why it is so: people WANT to live there. I’d sooner live in some bumfuck suburb in the Berkshires than any city in the South, where the people are so entirely apathetic and oblivious to the frankly frightening pace of life and inherent shortness of our own lives that I could never fit in there in a million years.

    Oklahoma ain’t changing WaldoDude, and you’d best look at this past year as a learning experience. Gaming and other such escapist pleasures can only take you so far before you grow increasingly sick of having to live in a mental and/or social bubble.

    This is such an ignorant comment. Are cities like Washington D.C., Arlington and Richmond not gentile enough for you? Because personally, I would rather live in any of those than Boston, Mass. Yes, there are many shitty places in the south but the same is true in the north. Take Maine for example. It’s a haven for liberal economic policy, and consequently, there are zero job opportunities. The northern half of the state is essentially kept alive by transfer payments from the south. New Jersey and Pennsylvania are two other northern states that I would just as soon not live in.

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  48. DDSSEE:
    From my experience, there’s more fighting about hockey teams than about racism and homophobia here (this is eastern Canada though, we are generally more liberal than the west).

    This seems about right. We do enjoy our hockey.

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  49. Mike:
    I think NYS would suit you well. Very liberal and lively. I live in buffalo but the lag is not bad. Verizon fios up here is amazing something like 100 down 40 up for the most expensive package

    Yeah, New York is pretty great, a lot of activity and not socially inept like much of the Deep South seems to be. on a side note, if you can get that type of internet speed, i wonder what a premium package could do for me down here (just outside NYC)

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  50. Come work in New York with me, Albany Med is awesome. I start in the summer

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  51. also fyi never think about coming to australia if you like video games

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  52. Brandon:
    Come work in New York with me, Albany Med is awesome. I start in the summer

    You can really tell something is awesome with that kind of experience…?

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  53. Alright, enough pooping all over New York State. Whilst I admit that there are somethings I do not agree with it isn’t as bad as anyone here has stated.

    Things you seem to care about and how they are in NYC:
    (I’ve lived in one of the five boroughs for nearly 21 years)

    1. (Probably most important) Pay and Wages:

    Well, I can speak from experience having worked with and being taught by SUNY Downstate, Kings County Medical Center, and Seaview Hospital I can tell you that payment is good. Probably won’t be ridin’ dirty in a Merc, but you’ll be well fed and then some. Now, serious downside, cost of living is, well, piss poor. You don’t have to be a property expert to realize that an acre in OK is going to be (And I’m not exaggerating) 1/100 of what it would be in NY. Now, if you’re upstate that’s a little different, but I bring you to point 2.

    2. Stuff to do:

    High. Very high. 21 years and the city still keeps me occupied. Do you like hiking? Catskills, Adirondacks, and the Green Belt- all within 3~ hours. Do you like surfing? The Jersey Sho- well, maybe don’t go there- you’ll leave as WaldoBro.

    3. Enthusiasm of Populous:

    It’s New York, we don’t sleep- k.

    4. Weather, Climate, QoL

    The weather is iffy. All sorts of confused, but you’re never short a beautiful day in the Spring/Summer/Fall and even a wonderful winter day. Quality of Life is also high, you’re always active, engaged and wanting to do stuff. As far as politics go, I mean if it really bothers you that much I can’t help you. People have criticized Mayor Bloomberg, but as I’ve said, although I do not agree with somethings (As humans normally do) I can’t say he ruins the state- No one does.

    This is all totally irrelevant though because chances of you moving so far East are (<) or (=) to 0.

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  54. Come to Canada instead.

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  55. Hey man, at least you have Kevin Durant.

    Anyways, if your want to get out of OK, you should try Chicago, Madison, and Minneapolis. There is tons of shit to do there(especially for young people) and the cost of living for the last two isn’t very high. Also the ping is fine. i’m from MN and my ping to your bf server is ~40

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  56. Boozer:
    Hey man, at least you have Kevin Durant.

    Anyways, if your want to get out of OK, you should try Chicago, Madison, and Minneapolis. There is tons of shit to do there(especially for young people) and the cost of living for the last two isn’t very high. Also the ping is fine. i’m from MN and my ping to your bf server is ~40

    i live in the middle of no where, in the back woods of missouri with a 56k connection and i still dont get over 50 ping most of the time so its not saying much

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  57. Team_Alice: i live in the middle of no where, in the back woods of missouri with a 56k connection and i still dont get over 50 ping most of the time so its not saying much

    Ping has to do with location relative to the server more than how good your internet is.

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  58. Reminds me of my life. Lived in IL or 8 years. Smartest, nicest people i’ve met and we lived on a house with a forest and pond in the backyard. Loved life till my dad decided to move the family to Arizona, the most backwards-ass state in the US IMO, for reasons no one is certain now. The temps suck and we now have a small fenced yard. Growing up in a well-rounded state my brothers and I are all atheist and liberal minded, with a strong foundation of education from a state that gives a shit. When we moved here i was heiled as some sort of messiah for being a genius(only by comparison) and school became very boring. I became depressed and kind of emo but grew out of it, and now smoke a lot of weed.
    Never move to the south. STAY AS FAR AWAY FROM THESE GUN-TOTING, CLOSE MINDED, HILL BILLY ASSHOLES!

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  59. Connor:
    Reminds me of my life. Lived in IL or 8 years. Smartest, nicest people i’ve met and we lived on a house with a forest and pond in the backyard. Loved life till my dad decided to move the family to Arizona, the most backwards-ass state in the US IMO, for reasons no one is certain now. The temps suck and we now have a small fenced yard. Growing up in a well-rounded state my brothers and I are all atheist and liberal minded, with a strong foundation of education from a state that gives a shit. When we moved here i was heiled as some sort of messiah for being a genius(only by comparison) and school became very boring. I became depressed and kind of emo but grew out of it, and now smoke a lot of weed.
    Never move to the south. STAY AS FAR AWAY FROM THESE GUN-TOTING, CLOSE MINDED, HILL BILLY ASSHOLES!

    Wow, sounds like you’re one of the “HILL BILLY ASSHOLES”. Stop talkin all high and mighty. You are no better than anyone else. Got to learn to deal with it.

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  60. Personally, I can’t really relate, but I feel that we are all telling stories about where we live so here goes.
    I was born in Denver, CO and lived there for the first ten years of my life. It was a pretty nice place, but I’m not really a big city person (though I didn’t know it at the time). Now, my family and I (I’m a senior in HS) live in Park City, UT. Whenever people think of UT, they think of mormons, and for good reason. The rest of the state is completely backwards, and there are some polygmists still (oh, those ten people that share my last name? They’re all my “cousins” and we live in a fucking walled in compound). However, here in Park City it is only about 50/50 mormon non mormon, and the mormons that are here tend not to be the dumbass type. Housing is expensive here, so you can’t get the real radical redneck, hicks etc.

    There are tons of good things about where I live, skiing is great, and there are tons of trails for hiking/mountain biking. No beaches though (unless you count the great salt lake :D) but pretty much everything else is within your reach. Also, some pretty nice camping down in southern Utah, with the hoodoos, and the slot canyons etc. To top it all off, the public schools are really nice, because everyone who lives here is pretty much required to be middle class or higher in order to afford housing.

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  61. Not all of the south is bad, I lived in Florida and I loved it.But ok is horrible. I visted there once and I hated it.

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  62. Jesus H. Christ look at all of these suburban white kids pissing on the south.

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  63. Reading all these comments makes me happy I live in New Zealand lol.

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  64. come to texas, there’s no income taxes

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  65. Your friends aren’t lying, come to Austin. ;P

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  66. Come up to New England, specifically Mass. Not sure how the pay rate is for RA’s, but I’m sure it can’t be terrible, and it sounds like we have everything you need with less than an hours drive. I’d go to a smaller town in the northeast, if I were you just to be closer to Maine and New Hampshire.

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  67. Man i live in Little Rock Arkansas, and although it is not an oasis of intellectuals and incredibly fun things to do. It still is in no way close to being as miserable as you describe OK to be.. and unlike the rude people you seem to be running into so much, most people here are very polite and outright friendly in general. I have had my fair share of experiences in the North, and i must admit I have had quite a lot of fun, I still love my little slice of paradise here in Little Rock. I say all of this to say my mother has been a pharmacist at a Hospital here for quite some time, and although I will be going to college in Fayetteville (U of A) very soon, she has always said that RN’s especially male RN’s can find jobs quite easily with good wages. I know that your area of the South has most certainly left a sour taste in your mouth, but maybe if you were to try somewhere else, you might find that it’s not so bad after all. Best of luck finding a better place waldodude! :)

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  68. Hey WaldoDude, in one of xcals newer VDFB Borderlands2 uploads he asked if this site pay’s for itself, if you want you could set up a donate button. For the podcasts and etc I would gladly pay some of ‘dat cash monayyyy

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  69. As an Oklahoman, I can only imagine what a culture shock it would be to move from a place like Oregon to the “Reddest State in the Union.” (huzzah!!) It is a fact that we have more than our fair share of morons and , recently, it seems as if they are more vocal and annoying. Thankfully, I had the good fortune to be born and raised into one of the only liberal families in a 100 mile radius so I’m the most rare of Oklahoman, the “Native Communist.”

    But yeah, since we’ve become the “Safe Haven for the Moron” its really become more and more difficult to live here. My wife and I have discussed moving several times but, unfortunately its our home and we love it despite its many flaws.

    Hate to see your Oklahoma experience has been bad, brother. Sadly, its not surprising.

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  70. Very well said DRJ. As someone who has just graduated college last December I to am learning just how tough this world is. I hope everything turns out well for you wherever this world takes you. In the end though I see you as a very smart individual so have no worries that you will be able to work something out for yourself in the future.

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  71. Team_Alice: Wow, sounds like you’re one of the “HILL BILLY ASSHOLES”. Stop talkin all high and mighty. You are no better than anyone else. Got to learn to deal with it.

    Let me respond with something I heard in english class, keep in mind this is Aims honors, or the highest english class available for my grade. “Obama is a horrible president because he wants to take our guns so the terrrorists can invade”. And people agreed with him.

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  72. I feel for ya bruh.. living somewhere you don’t wanna be can be tough. At least you have the perspective of ‘it can always be worse’.

    Growing up I hated and/or took for granted what Colorado offered. As I got older and moved around the country more, I grew to miss the sight of mountains so close you could almost touch them. I ended up moving back just recently when a job opened up and am thankful to be back home.

    Keep ya head up brother, it’ll all work out!

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  73. If you are looking for a shittier, Flint Mi. High crime rate, high poverty, low wages, low jobs. But the people here are diverse kind of… if the white kids feel like being abound the black kids that is.

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  74. WaldoDude, have you ever considered doing a meetup with some of your subscribers? It might be fun to have a lan or just a meetup with other people that are into gaming. I am in my last year of college here in OK. While I have enjoyed it, I can’t say I would want to stay here when I graduate.

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  75. I think that was all that was available to him with the experience that he had.

    Mandalore1333: Yep. If he could deal with the internet here, we would idolize him.

    3 years till I get fiber cable internet… FML.

    So Waldodude, I can’t remember, why did you move if the pay is worse?

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  76. I am just about to graduate High School and live in Aspen, Colorado. Some consider it to be the richest town in America. What they don’t realize is that it does have easily one of the highest property costs in the nation and probably in the world. This shitty, small as fuck, ant infested apartment I live in costs a fortune. Non the less, I love the place I live. Ever tried skiing? If you have not, come here, best skiing ever. The place I live is amazingly beautiful and there is plenty of things to do. (best weed in the US)
    Thought I would give you a look at my world and appreciate the look on yours.
    Also, if your thinking about moving to Colorado, I highly suggest it. It is a beautiful mountainous area in the west and a high altitude desert in the east. If I had to live in a city, I would choose Denver…… or San Diego.

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  77. lmao high property prices try living in sydney nigga

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  78. I HATE Oklahoma. The fact that the US gov chose to resettle the Indians here says a lot. I guess they thought they could do just fine without it.

    Weather sucks all year, the dumbest people I’ve met in 5 states, soul sucking boredom, lack of culture … I could go on but I don’t want to depress us both.

    Don’t move here. No matter what you’re reasons are, find a way to go further east or west.

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  79. I’m from OK and live here and everything’s shitty I wish I could move in fact I want to live in Russia it’s way more advanced and has better people I don’t even claim to be from this state as far as I’m concerned I’m Prussian someone please rescue me

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  80. Eric:
    I’m from OK and live here and everything’s shitty I wish I could move in fact I want to live in Russia it’s way more advanced and has better people I don’t even claim to be from this state as far as I’m concerned I’m Prussian someone please rescue me

    So you wanna go from one fucking shithole to another. Russia is the shithole of Europe save for the balkans. Learn about the world before you make a dumb decision.

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  81. Just glad to see I’m not alone. Been in Oklahoma over 20 years and every time I leave, something brings me back (usually a family issue of some sort… aging parents, etc.). I have a great job which is the only thing that keeps me, but I would move in a heartbeat. I find Okies to be friendly, but friendly with caution. As soon as they find out you are not like them (religion, politics, social attitude), they turn on you. Often insulting. I lived in Canada for a while and have been labeled a Commie by some. They don’t support education, or anything sort of social structure. Yet the place is a social studies nightmare with high crime, teen pregnancy, nearly 20% on welfare… yet this is the conservative mecca the rest of the country should aspire to be? They believe in their rights and freedoms, just not yours. I’ve been told I need to “fit in”. What? Fit into ignorance? Sorry. I have lived in Wisconsin, Minnesota, Montana, Washington State, and Ontario Canada. I will take all of the above over this pile of back asswardness. Sorry. Had to rant. Just glad to see I’m not alone.

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  82. Oklahoma isn’t anything like the deep southern states. It leans more Midwestern-like in politics and culture, but that’s just my opinion. The other deep southern states embrace their antebellum history and African-American history…the pre-civil war history. Oklahoma doesn’t. Its just blah…boring and cultureless in every aspect. And the fake Christians…will get you riled up! Meanness here is part of their culture. I moved here from another southern state two years ago and my…I’ve never met so many mean, fake dumb people in my life! If you’re liberal don’t move here…you will hate yourself for doing so.

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  83. Im sorry you all seem to have such negative experiences here, im from Oklahoma city and i havent run into any of the soul crushing life you seem to have found, most everyone i know is very Polite and helpful. Homophobia is looked down on here as is racism. there are Gay Clubs, night clubs, drag clubs, and alot of fun hiking and adventuring, we had a black lives matter protest here and it was one of the most peaceful ones on record. people here use common sense and science. if someone on the side of the road stuck within 30 mins someone has stopped to see if they are ok or need help, its just what we do. sure there are the occasion morons or bigots just like any other state, but they are far from the norm.

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  84. Deitrich you don’t know what your talking about Oklahoma a shit hole an the people in it.
    Rude , dumb , fake disease-ridden state wall it off not Mexico.

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  85. Well I was born in Monterrey California just south of Santa Cruz I was an army brat. I loved California everyday you went outside went to the beach and explored places. People were friendly and everyone recycled. :) I loved being a kid in California but my dad’s enlistment in the army was up and both my parents who had teaching degrees could not support a family of 4 boys in California on teacher salaries. So……

    They decided to move to Oklahoma I didn’t realize it at the time but my life slowly and progressively got more depressing. I fit in around here like a round peg in a square hole. kids made fun of me for weraing a dress shirts to school and enjoying music. Although I consider myself to be independent I lean more liberal in my belief’s
    and most people around here ” don’t take kindly to it ” they are rude at best… So from about 1991 to the present 2017 I have grown up, gone to college and work in Tulsa Oklahoma . I have yet to really feel challenged. heck it’s so bad I don’t even think that the people who assign me a “challenging task” are even worthy doing the task for . Despite that there are some liberal people who make it here. albeit they tend to keep to themselves and have money and houses in other states. “can’t imagine why ” . The rednecks and the indians around here I can outsmart and deal with . the drug addicts can be problematic if you let them get to close to you . but, what really astounds me are the “Republican true believers ” . So brainwashed that they think things are going great here because the price of oil jumped up 20 cents and that everyone believes in the same thing . I ended up getting married and I will probably die in this state. but survival is all I have down here now….

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